Mom Glues 2 Yr. Old Daughters Hands to Wall Then Beats Her

Family planning will get worse if we let the GOP and TP run our country.

We need more money put into family planning and CPS, without a doubt.

I don't really think it's so much political as in a lack of identifying problems. There's nothing said about the father of the children. If she was getting Food stamps and medical cards, a social worker would have been involved. There are no constraints on how many children a young person can have even if they are on welfare. IMO that is a problem right there.

That said, the responsibility of 4 children, that age group, for a mother that is older would be difficult let alone without a father. At her age, 22, there was no way someone shouldn't have seen her stress escalating and not know that the children would bear the brunt of building anger at the responsibility.

She's probably following the Palin "Abstinence Only" PLan.....

Perry has been cutting funding for programs that protect children here in Texas. Many of the programs are crucial. So politically, funding for family planning is something many women depend on, the GOP/TP is doing everything in their power to destroy the things that protect and help women and children. You think less funding will help or hurt children like Joselyn Cedillo in the future if the GOP/TP get their way?

This is nationally, check out #5, 6, 8, 9, 11, and 13, all of them affect women and children.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/03/08/things-the-republican-congress-has-done-instead-of-creating-jobs/

Yes, despite the fact that 64% of Americans say unemployment and the economy in general are “the most important problems facing this country today,” the GOP has chosen to focus on effectively eliminating the constitutional right to abortion.

Not satisfied at attempting to end abortion, however, Republicans are attempting right now toend entire programs that provide food and health services to five million low-​income Americans.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/the-gops-war-on-women-and-children/politics/2011/02/17/17488

This is wrong!

LOLA:

How much money would have stopped this mother from beating this child? Let me know the exact dollar amount that would be required for CPS and Family Planning to have, that would guarantee that this child would not have had to endure this beating. The truth is, it isn't the amount of money, or the amount of agencies we have that will prevent a bad mother from abusing her kids. The truth is, bad mothers will always have acces to beating the children, if that is what they want to do. How many agencies will be needed to protect every child from every possible bad mother? How much money is needed to have enough bodies to stop this event from happening?

LOLA:

You claim that because funding is reduced for family planning, that this is the reason that this 2 year old was glued to a wall and beaten. OK, but then in every other part of the country, where funding isn't cut for family planning, and a child is abused, what will be the excuse then? It isn't money that will prevent this from happening. It is just a sad fact of life, that there are certain people who will abuse those who can't defend themselves. It matters little how much money these programs recieve, there will always be circumstances that will allow this event to occur.

Once again, someone wants government to fix a problem, rather than accept the fact that as terrible as it is, bad things sometimes happen.

Family planning will get worse if we let the GOP and TP run our country.

Here we go again with the politicizing an issue of parental stupidity.

It has nothing to do with who runs or MIGHT run the country, It is about the ignorance and evil that one person was capable of. No government program or law will ever have any effect on something like this, unless you believe that all children should be raised under the government's protection, alleviating the parents of all responsibilities. I do not see that ever happening, regardless of which political party is in power.

Party... I think I just figured out why they call it a "Party". That's a whole different subject...

I can only hope that this person is severely punished for suac an action. A toddlwer is still learning how to live and cannot be punished for not moving as fast as the parent thinks she should. This is just plain selfish, and evil.

@Mongowildman:

Here we go again with the politicizing an issue of parental stupidity.

Isn't it to be expected?

Wraith777

True... I wonder what else can be blamed on the politics? (or what won't be)

Ah, it was only a matter of timebefore someone blamedthis on "teabaggers." This isn't about cutting programs, this is about a sick individual who would've done this with all nanny state funding in the world.

Jerry,

If you want to lay claim that this event MIGHT have been prevented with more funding, then I will have to ask, how much money would have been required to prevent this from happening?

Talk about loaded statements. You first tell me that there is no way to establish a dollar amount to prevent child abuse, and then in the next sentence, make an assumption that because funding was cut, this child was beaten. Which one is it, Jerry? Either you can determine a dollar amount that will prevent child abuse, or you can't. I am merely trying to help these children by getting to that dollar amount so we can start the telethons to raise the cash. But, if money won't solve the problem, then admit it.

@Mongowildman:

One track minds tend to find a way to shove their favorite topics into EVERY context.

From my post# 2.4 - You think less funding will help or hurt children like Joselyn Cedillo in the future if the GOP/TP get their way?

Yet you continue to make it into a political argument... Why?

Eye for an eye, do the same to her

I bet momma is involved with MS-13

Okay, here - Do you think less funding for social services that help women and child, along with family planning, help or hurt children like Joselyn Cedillo in the future ?

It's a yes or no question.

Yes it hurts them. With the funding agencies would be able to see how Mommy would react to the child, they would talk with her, get info and if needed report her.

Jerry:

Once again, I am not the one who brought up the funding issue, that would be LOLA. I merely responded to it, and pushed for a reply, based upon what you said. I fully understand that you want the issue dropped. I also understand why.

I will try to keep my comments relevant to what the moderator wants them to be. Wouldn't want to have a difference of opiion with the moderator. That is how things get deleted, or collapsed.

Have a nice day.

executing people .....

She a good candidate to me.

And lola money doesn't solve the problem people do. Letting these people get off with a hand slap is the main problem.

4 children and she's 22 years old. This is the year 2011 and Family Planning still isn't working.

The people who have four kids by the time they're 22 are too stupid for family planning. No amount of funding will change that.

This story breaks my heart. That little girl is the same age as my granddaughter and she is the light of my life.

Speaking of funding questions. I think one thing that would help is some parenting classes for anyone having a child...I'd recommend starting it with those who are on aid. The reason I would recommend starting there is that poverty does create a much higher level of stress and some guidance on how to handle discipline issues might be highly beneficial to those who are already stressed out to the max. Parenting classes are offered to teen parents but it doesn't seem to be a program that is offered to others.

There are techniques that have been discovered to be quite helpful in the last 20 or so years, and there is no reason to not arm mothers with the latest information on child development.

To bring political parties into this tragic but common story is beyond ignorant. Next we will read Obama did it. Someone has already tried to blame Palin. "shaking head" People need to take responsibilty for their actions, stop blaming others.

Child abuse is not uncommon I get the pleasure of trying to put these little angels back together. It is not a political party issue(some people never stop making it about their side) it is a issue where some people should never have kids. Adults have a tendency to take their anger out on the "weaker" one and it is an ongoing cycle and this woman should be executed.

She's probably following the Palin "Abstinence Only" PLan.....

I falowed an abstinence only plan and so did my wife. it worked out grate for us. The safest way to have sex is not with another person. Did you know 1 in five college women have a STD? they are educated are they not?why are they getting STD's still?

Did you know 1 in five college women have a STD?

Wow, if it's 1 in five for college women I can only imagine how high it is for college men.

Yuck, that's the last time I ever rescue abandoned mattresses from a college student!

Here's a thought, which I gained from working three years at a child protective services agency. The issue isn't "underfunding", it's that these people are expected to be all things to all people. Our definition of "child abuse" and especially "neglect" is ridiculously elastic. I have seen people accused because they allowed an autistic child (who have very sensitive skin) to remove his socks at school. I have seen a girl removed just because her immigrant parents wouldn't let her do "normal teenage things" like hang around the mall--only they put her in a shelter where she ended up on drugs, such progress. In my state, CPS is automatically called just because a child gets lice, even if she got it at school and it's easily treated anyway. People are accused because they let their kids eat "too many" meals at McDonalds, which is deemed unnutritious, yet others are accused because they won't allow the kids to eat there (it's cultural "deprivation".) Most caseworkers are poorly trained new college grads from middle class backgrounds who have no idea what their mostly impoverished clients are up against. Read some training manuals--they're horrifically culturally biased. Child abuse/neglect needs to be strictly defined--only the serious charges like beatings and starvation should even be investigated, not the no-socks/McDonalds/mall type cases.

The child abuse reporting laws have been likened to a 911 system that cannot distinguish between murder and littering. It's very true, and it's a ridiculous waste of time. In most states they must open an investigation even when the case is obviously bogus, like a disgruntled neighbor who's upset because you took his parking space, or an angry ex-spouse who says his wife is on drugs, even if she works as a banker or doctor or something. The caseworkers know most of the cases are bogus, and they know real children are falling between the cracks because of this garbage. Everything takes a mountain of paperwork. The overwhelming majority of cases are deemed "unfounded" which is what makes those cutsie pie figures of the number of "reported cases" so ridiculous, yet enraging because the general public believes them. The caseworkers burn out faster than the guy who changes the grease at the local Arbys. Most parents do a decent job, and the average biological family is way safer than the average foster home or shelter.

The child abuse reporting laws have been likened to a 911 system that cannot distinguish between murder and littering. It's very true, and it's a ridiculous waste of time. In most states they must open an investigation even when the case is obviously bogus, like a disgruntled neighbor who's upset because you took his parking space

I've seen CPS used as a *weapon* in neighbor disputes several times. They seem to think it's a great way to *get even* w/ someone who has children by accusing them of all sorts of ridiculous things.

I'm pretty sure it was my landlord who called on me once (he owned a bldg of 4 townhouses, we unfortunately moved next door to his residence, didn't realize he was an @!$%# who'd pitch a fit over anything, & we were having a to-do over a very leaky pipe under the kitchen sink at the time). Had a SW show up at my doorstep late one afternoon w/ an *anonymous report* that my (now ex) husband & I regularly beat & then locked our 5 yo in his rm w/o feeding him, & that his *screams of terror* could be heard throughout the 'hood. (Evidently we loved our 6 mo old more b/c we didn't abuse him.) Schl bus dropped alleged victim off in front of the bldg shortly after SW arrived & he was absolutely adorable w/ this woman, looking at her all squinty-eyed quizzical & chirping, "But I don't have a lock on my BR door & I can go in & out anytime I want, you wanna come see me do it?" LOL

Then there was the months-long *investigation* of a family down the street whose 2 yo slipped in the tub & sat down hard on a plastic bath toy, bruising her backside & causing an anal fissure. Naturally Mom took her right over to the pediatrician b/c this freak accident made a tear in a bad spot & she was anxious to see if it required stitches & learn how to treat such a weird injury when the child went potty, & naturally the dr called CPS w/ an allegation of sexual abuse against Dad. The child was the youngest of 5 girls & it was absurd that after 13 yrs of daughters Dad had suddenly decided to prey on the littlest, but he was forced to move out of the house (it was either that or all 5 kids were going to foster care immediately) & have zero contact w/ his girls for 4 mos. All 5 of them were subjected to intimate *examinations* & everyone & anyone they knew was *interviewed* b/c no one believed the kid had merely fallen onto a bath toy in a bad position. In the end, they had to believe it, as they could find no evidence of anything.

Meanwhile, I'm sure some other child who really was being abused wasn't getting the attn required b/c of bogus reports like those.

everyone thinks it can't happen to them,

Until it does.

And then it's too late.

Also ingteresting is they say "the child" vs saying they have seen her hit her kids in general.

Also ingteresting is they say "the child" vs saying they have seen her hit her kids in general.

Yeah, I picked up on that, too....like she was taking something out on this particular child only out of the 4 of them....maybe this one was unwanted, or had some sort of medical/behavorial issue that wasn't diagnosed & made the child *act up*, or she reminded the mother of the father....who knows why, but something odd there.

I brought that up one time in KY since my late hubby's niece was sooo well fertile. She was married but everyone of those children was on welfare. The first three were put in foster care and then adopted, so of course she had 5 more. sighhhh. You'd think after like even 4, the state wouldn't pay for anymore but nooo not unless the mother and father consents.

I just heard that she maybe pg again, which will make 9 and she's 26 years old. Though I'm sure that the Social Services is keeping a close watch on her and him, unless they have real cause they can't do one single thing about the situation.

Which is probably what happened in this case. No real cause, lack of social service visits etc. and another child and siblings are traumatized.

newwtricks

Fed Up:

Yes, after reading your post, I understand that some mothers should have made a different choice, your mother included.

That's comment has been reported. COH - No personal attacks. You can do better.

ww-chs-sc:

What I said to Fed Up is about the same thing he referred to about that 2 year old. Did you also report him? Just wondering?

Or does Fed Up have the distinction of being the only person here on the vine to make opinions as to who should be aborted, and who shouldn't?

As vile as you and others think my comment was, I hope you can link that towards what Fed Up said of that poor little 2 year old. Just because the 2 year old doesn't have an account here on the vine, or hasn't contributed to society in any way, (YET), isno reason to allow Fed Up to make a comment and not criticize it, and I make the same comment, and find it wrong.

now you have to justify your comment.

you made a derogatory statement implying the earth would have been a better place had Fed Up not been born because his opinion was different than yours.

child abuse is wrong.

ww:

You DO realise that Fed Up also made a comment the earth would also have been a better place had a little 2 year old not been born? Just wondering if you only spot read these comments or if you try to read all of them.

I agree that child abuse is wrong. But I have to ask, at what point is child abuse begun? Is it when a child turns 2 and is beaten, or when a mother is told by someone like Fed Up that she should kill that child before it exits the womb?

My statement towards Fed Up was as harsh, and derogatory as his was towards that 2 year old girl.

Attack the issue not the person.

What I said to Fed Up is about the same thing he referred to about that 2 year old. Did you also report him? Just wondering?

Or does Fed Up have the distinction of being the only person here on the vine to make opinions as to who should be aborted, and who shouldn't?

My statement towards Fed Up was as harsh, and derogatory as his was towards that 2 year old girl.

newwtricks

The distinction is in that the two year old is part of the news story and the other NV member is not.

In other words, I can say "Rick Scott is an @!$%#," and that doesn't violate the CoH. But if I replace "Rick Scott" with the name of any NV member, then that is a personal attack. (I didn't make this up, I'm just letting you know …)

Jerry, I think you have an butt load of re-reg posters on this seed, you and Soph both.

WEll how about focusing less on the persons and more on what people are saying? I am getting soo sick of certain NV individuals constant need for ad hom. Particularly when they gang up to do it.

amen! (I had it capitallized but NV thinks I am yelling...)

Mongowildman

amen! (I had it capitallized but NV thinks I am yelling...)

what? *chuckle*

Sometimes abuse of this magnitude DOES pop up out of nowhere. Something we like to pretend that we have the godlike ability to prevent all tragedies but that is nonsense, and we have to remember the famous and true legal adage that hard cases make bad laws. And sterilizing you just because you are on welfare (perhaps because of a disability or abandonment) is beyond cruel--and I'm a Republican. You cannot mess around with people's bodies without being a Nazi--we aren't horses or dogs to be gelded and spayed. I have a probably schizophrenic but brilliant teenager who will be using some public services soon. He qualifies for Medicaid of the non-means tested variety, available for certain conditions in some states. Okay, should I kill him? Sterilize him? You cannot detect this condition before birth, or even prior to the age of 16 (which is why he's just a "possible" schizophrenic despite multiple hospitalizations.) Come on, people. I know cases like this make you angry, but THINKING is what makes us human. Thinking before our knees start jerking in emotional overreacting is the only real difference between a human being and something closely related, like a bonobo ape. Oh, right, we also have less fur and don't climb trees so good.

I agree. A swat on the butt once in a blue moon is okay. But no one even talks to their kids anymore.

Children should not have to hurt.!

We've never raised a hand to our children. Three kids, all educated, working, happy, and kind. The kind of people who would never hit a child.

Abusing a kid is easy. Parenting takes time and patience, but the pay off is huge.

1devon:

There are several people who havedone despicable things in this world, whohad parents who neverraised a hand to them either. Educated, working and happy people who have gone on and done horrible acts in this world. Imention this only to show that there are several ways to raise children, and I am not claiming to know the perfect way. Just making a point, that not swatting a child on the behind when needed, does not guarantee a child that will grow up educated, productive, and happy.

That's fine devon. I am not going to argue the merits of a swat on the butt. I don't care how you raise your kids and that is okay. Abuse is a different thing.

I have raised three kids and I have 4 grands. They are happy, healthy and good kids. There is no reason for abusing children . Those who do should be sterilized and put in prison.

NOBODY ever needs to hit and hurt a defenseless child, it's simply a choice they make.

I speak for abused children and listen to people try to explain why they needed to torture a baby way too often. The infliction of pain on the defenseless is cowardly and abusive. Period.

That's okay devon.As I said. I am not going to argue a swat on the butt. I speak for parents who still have rights. The right to raise their children. I am damned if you will tell me not to swat my kid on the butt. You are the reason kids are such holy terrors... You and the bleeding heart club.I hope your kids are not the ones who run around like animals in my store.

I also speak for the children who are being abused. The families of these children need to step up and speak when they see this abuse. I truly do not think that these families have never seen the abuse that is going on. I think that they need to start speaking out against it.

Well that's a good thing then Jerry.

If you study prison stats, you will find that the real 'holy terrors' were hit in the home. Routinely.

Since you only inflicted pain "once in a blue" moon (according to your own post), do you really think your kids would be terrors if you had handled them humanely in those few instances? I doubt it.

My kids were praised constantly by other parents, teachers, family and friends. Three out of three earned academic scholarships and one was a Presidential Scholar Award winner. It takes a LOT more than the infliction of pain to raise good kids. You don't have to beat a child to stop them from being 'terrors'.

We need real child protection. Saying you can smack them around a little isn't protection. The law's hands are tied when we fail to give kids like this two year old little girl the same bodily protection we would give any 250lb man.

You don't agree with child protection, I do.

We'll agree to disagree.

My kids are also praised. And I never said you can smack them around a little. Don't put words where they don't belong. We can disagree and that is fine. I notice you didn't address the issue of your kids being animals in the store, but that's okay.

The fact that you even say Handle your kids is kind of disturbing. I don't handle my kids.I treat them as people. I don't handle them.

And who the hell said I don't agree with child protection??? I just agree with it being sensible. Not a bunch of people who have no clue how to raise kids.

You protest a bit much. Problem there??

There's a huge mind-set in America that small children MUST be hit and hurt, be in physical pain, to be "disciplined". Any kid who isn't hit, is a holy terror. By your own words, you are of that mind-set. Forgive me, but that line of thinking gets kids killed. Tortured and killed.

Thankfully, I had parents who led by example, taught us that hitting was always wrong unless in self defense, and hitting a defenseless person was a cowardly and dishonorable act. I learned that discipline was not about force, pain, or fear. It was teaching and guiding. Consequences, separate from discipline, never needs to involve violence.

There's instilling fear and then there's earning respect.

And yes, there's a huge problem. I speak for abused kids and see way too much of this...because of the mentality that might makes right, and the infliction of pain against a baby is necessary.

Another things my parents taught me is that when people reduce themselves to name calling, they no longer have an argument. I'm sorry you're so defensive.

cmach

You are so ignorant.

Inflamatory.

It's hard to believe that a post about child abuse brings out anyone in favor of using any type of corporal punishment. When is the hit/pop/spank over the line? I would say right before it hits it's target...

I've seen a few bitch about your moderating Jerry. I think you're doing alright.

Good moderating usually upsets a few people in the crowd. Keep up the good work!

When a very young child runs into the street a swat on the tuchis is practically mandatory. It's crazy to confuse that with abuse. If you think about it, there are far crueler punishments than the physical kind. My husband was led to believe, for decades, that his father had given his beloved dog up for medical experiments (later my fil claimed the dog had been put to sleep instead, but who believes him? And you know what? He's STILL a jerk. Today he told his grandson he had to talk on the cell phone even when my son explained that he only uses his cell phone for emergencies, would he please call back on the landline? No, that was "unacceptable". My son has no job except occasional odd jobs, we're a one income family since I'm homeschooling his disabled brother, and it's a pay as you go phone. I guess I was going to pick up the extension and spy on them--since of course he would be revealing major national security secrets to a kid in college.) The point is that not all cruelty is physical, and spanking has never been considered abuse by rational people. The pain of a spanking if over in a few minutes, but some parents deprive their kids of major things for minor reasons and actually get to feel self righteous about it.

Man did she ever. Soph handle it well however. Just like you did she told them to use the contact button.

Yes spoh did well in her masterful handling of several trolls, re-reg trolls and dumped a bucket of water on a couple of few cat fights betwen posters..

The Republican Party has made being stupid and crazy fashionable in America.

fedup?? What does this have to do with anything??? Do you know that this woman is a republican? Maybe she is a stupid democrat... Get a grip. This is why we can't get this country back on track. We have people like you who just don't get it.

Republican, tea party, democrat.. Who gives two @!$%#s!! It's time to get our country together!

The Republican Party has made being stupid and crazy fashionable in America.

Fed Up:

I am trying really hard to understand how this relates to a 2 yr. old being beaten by a 22 yr old mother. Care to elaborate? If not, I am sure the NV community here will promptly collapse the comment. Yeah right.

Read the response I reply too. It had nothing to do with the issue of the mother and the baby but what is going on in America.

Jerry:

This is what I like, a man who can say something and stand behind it. You remind me of Obama. He was telling everyone that to raise the debt ceiling shows a failue in leadership, and then states it shouldn't even be an issue, just raise the debt ceiling when it suits him.

You, Jerry will take both sides also. In 1.11 you mention that this thead might be political, but in 13.7, you claim This is not a political issue. Again, I like a man who can stand behind what he says, until it suits him to change his mind and claim the opposite.

Not attacking you, just showing how you compare with the greats, like Obama. If you do find this reference offensive, then maybe it is a racism thing. You know, to be compared to a black man and all...

Jerry

I appreciate the insult you hurl at me that I am a troll. I really don't expect you to delete your own thread. But to compare yourself to Franklin, now there is some good company. I imagine Franklin was also one who would flip flp on an issue within a half hour. More than likely, Franklin meant that after careful consideration, and a considerable amount of time to reflect on all of the data made available, he was not stubborn enough to hold to a value. But, I can see why you would want to have it appear that you are up there with Franklin.

As for being offended at being compared to a black man, what gave you the impression I wasn't a black man? Have you been sitting outside my flat, spying on me? Not accusing you, heck no, wouldn't be prudent.

Have a nice day

People used to MURDER their kids, get off on the insanity defence, and it didn't even make the national news. (My aunt did this in 1969. She was charged with killing her husband too since my uncle didn't survive.) It's just insane to pretend that there is an epidemic of abuse. No, there isn't. And as sad as these stories are, we do live in a country of 300 million so perhaps everyone should just calm down. Statistically, freak things do happen once in a while. Somebody needs to tell people to grow up and calm down. I very much hope the little girl lives and they all get the help they need. But I'm not standing in line to tell the Cossacks to take away our rights.

I don't think what happened to this little girl should be considered a freak thing. As if it was merely an accident. What her mother did to her was deliberate and we shouldn't toss it aside with a wave of the hand and say 'well, these things happen, but not a lot.' Talking about these stories creates awareness and will, hopefully, make people more likely to report abuse when they see it.

I was not the warm, world revolves around my kids, kind of mother. Nor am I the world revolves around my grand kids type. I love them but I am not here to be their BFF.

We had a daughter who drove us NUTS and held the family emotionally hostage for years and years. I had sever, major postpardum depression after she was born. When she was 5 months old I got so bad I was hopsitlaized for a month. It took me another year on medication and thearpy to recover.

We've played tag team parenting most of her life. There were times I really did not like her because her behavior made life for her sister and us so very difficult. (It's a LONG story why and would take an entire seed of it own) There were times I had to put myselfin time out for fear I would loose control correcting her or punishing her. A couple times she would get me so mad and frustrated I would make sure she was in a safe location like her bedroom and take myself outside to walk laps around the yard. Despite the nearly constant drama, the anger, the fears and the extreme frustration that came with raising her I NEVER EVER came close to doing what this 22 year old to her kid.

She is now 28 years old and we are still dealing with drama, drama, drama. Her gan mal seizures are returning with a vengeance after being free of them for nearly 10 years. She has lost her ability to do algebra, her handwritting and spelling have gone back to what it was 10 years ago. Each seizure strips away some of her abilities and progress she has made. Her dream of being able to buy a car, learning to drive and being able to get a good job has been thrown out the window. She is having a very hard time accepting the reality of her life now and what her ALMOST obtainable dreams were 6 months ago.

While I was typing this comment I suddenly realized I had not seen anything about this woman mentioning postpartdum depression being a possible reason for her over the top, extreme behavior. Let's face it, 4 kids at 22 year old? She probably started having kids at age 15...God I hope not earlier then that! Untreated postpardum depression can be deadly...just ask Andrea Yates. I distinctly remember my Doctor recommending we have no more children because my depression was so sever. He said postpartum depression only get worse with each additional child.

Before you attack me, pump your brakes and back the truck up. I am not using the possibility of untreated postpardum depression to excuse her unconscionable behavor...I am wondering out loud if it could be a factor in her abuse of this child.

Wow, no way could I imagine that anyone would take a story about a horribly abused little girl and equate it to what happened at Dodger Stadium.

SQUIRRELLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

with all the nutty comments on this seed it was bound to attract a squirrel or two.

Yes, it's called Latina

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Racist much?

No, I'm "realist" much.

Norcal

What was the "DNA" of Andrea Yeager who drowned her 5 children.....

What was the "DNA" of Susaan Smith her drove her two sons into the pond....

btw - have you had your "DNA" checked recently.....I'm guessing "neanderthal"...

You do realize that you said there was something wrong with latina's DNA?
And you try to justify that, with talk of 'temper'?
Wow, just wow...

Yes, it's not only latinas, but this sort of thing seems to happen more often in their culture. They're always putting their offspring in danger. If it's not straight line child abuse, it's sporadically jaywalking across a busy street with their 5 kids in tow causing everyone to slam on their brakes.

btw - have you had your "DNA" checked recently.....I'm guessing "neanderthal"...

Hey... I represent that remark.

Jerry,

I am wonderng why certain remarks that could be considered personal attacks are deleted, and others such as bdune referring to a person as a neanderthal just get a slight warning?

Either way I can fully understand a person more by their actions than their words. And I have seen who and what you are, by those actions. Have a nice day.

Because Jerry does not know how to moderate. It is against the COH to delete, but. it happens. If jerry does not like what you say, he deletes. Nuff said. If you don't agree with Jerry , he deletes.

cmach

Read the damn CoH next time and stop with the BS. It's the moderators job to delete and maintain control of their article. If they don't delete CoH violations then the Admin (Namely Tyler and Sally) will remove them from being the moderator of their own article and take over.

Don't like it then don't comment but here is a link to the CoH:

codeOfHonor

Tony... You read the COH. Moderators are supposed to moderate their threads!! UN BIASED!! If you don't like it. that is YOUR problem! Either moderate ALL or NONE!

I do moderate my own but from your comments it clear that you don't or you don't understand the CoH.

Comments which are off topic such as your constant complaints about how this is being Moderated can be and should be deleted as having no value. That includes this one reminding you of that fact.

Comments which you don't agree with but are on topic should not be deleted unless those comments contain a direct attack on a fellow poster or a death threat which is also against the new Internet Cyber Laws.

Like Jerry always states: Don't like it then contact NV and if they agree then it will be restored. If they don't then watch your back because if they find you trolling they might just ban your account.

You are off topic Tony!! Gee but it doesn't apply to you right?

cmach is no troll. Please though, simmer down a bit cmach, it'll do you some good.

Thank you naughtynumbernine. And yes. I will simmer down...

It applies to everyone and I expect this entire thing to be deleted as soon as Jerry figures you got the point.

Your trying to derail this article on purpose and if my suspicion is correct I believe he is going to allow you to keep doing so in an effort to allow enough people to mark your comments as "No Value" and at that point you will have earned your suspension and or account banned for trolling.

The choice is yours. You can knock it off or say goodbye when the Admin review what's happening. I don't care either way at this point. You've been around long enough that I shouldn't even be bothering to try and get you to stop. Not to dance on anyones grave but Taao pulled the same stunts and he/she got the boot already and your just one step behind them.

Continue on that path at your own risk. I'm done with you on this subject unless you care to get back on topic.

Jerry do what you gotta do when it comes to deletion but give it at least 20 minutes to make sure they read this comment. I try to stop people from committing suicide because it's my nature but I can't help those who are hell bent on doing it anyway.

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10......... No comment and I am calm. Thanks Naughty.......

I'm really glad. What put you in such a bad place?

Bunch of stress going on..and I need to not comment further.... I appreciate you very much.Great night to all.

something is wrong with this woman's DNA

Yes, it's called Latina.

In all fairness, there are many white folks aren't exactly stellar parents either. There are plenty of white people who have beaten and/or murdered their children.

Jerry

Looks like they got the point finally so hit the buttons and have a good night.

Night cmach. Take care. If you need a hand with your stress publish your angst to the "not news" section. You'll find a lot of supportive encouraging viners in the vicinity.

It's not even human.

Unfortunately it is human.

Sad as it is.

Her eyelids? They should glue her boobs to a public wall and set up a couple whips next to her for other mothers to take a crack at her. Keep her eyes wide open so she can clearly see the blows as they fly at her.

Insane? Nope...let the punishment fit the crime.
I have zero tolerance for anyone that harms the defenseless young or elderly people.

Better yet Rick. Nice touch on having other mother's administer the punishment.

I hope she spends some time in jail for this.

Never mind. I see that you did delete norcals stuff also...

I'd prefer that too, and I also hate the intrusion, but something has to be done to protect children. This is just too much!

Funny thing is... I am trying to get back on topic and am being deleted. Hmm

I am not! I am stating MY opinion on the topic. YOU are being biased about my opinion!

That is what I thought tyler. This little babe did not deserve to be hurt. Period.

#30.2. Maybe your group needs to re-evaluate it's method of how to get your message out. Can you tell me, please, what "solutions" and "new ideas" did you get out of this with both parties blaming each other and others saying how awful the woman is or feeling sorry for the child.

#30.2 Actually, Jerry, I want to apologize for being critical of your seed. I too am active in the prevention of child abuse and I should realize there are different methods. But my question still stands - what solutions and ideas did you get out of the responses on this seed. It could be informative to others concerned about the abuse of childen.

It's making me sick to think about it as well. Obviously just being a woman doesn't make anyone automatically compassionate or motherly, but it's what we expect and what many of us experienced with our own moms. I saw comments earlier and heard from others I discussed this story with that the family was aware of prior abuse...but did nothing. I'm assuming here, but I wouldn't be surprised if abuse is happening across the family. Scary to think, however I wonder why they didn't do something before when they new the children were being hurt.

Don't blame the state for the actions of one individual.

Well...I'm from Texas and I certainly do not condone this woman's actions or act in any similar way toward my child.

You want to make this political. Really?

Nice restraint all.

I think this is a story that's so cruel that I have to say/people that do such evil things will be tried and convicted/and once they are I hope they are dealt the most severest penalty.

Then when these people get the severest penalty/they should also be given there punishment fast and swift/with the maximum punishment given.